Empath Forum 7/8/98


Special thanks to GM Iflaer.



Note: Transcript was edited to improve clarity.




Iflaer winks.
Iflaer grins.
Iflaer says, "It starts in about 15 minutes. If you all behave, share your chocolate, we'll have another so more people haave a chance."
Sabitor says, "How ya share choclate."
Iflaer exclaims, "You let your friend lick the wrapper!"
Iflaer mutters under his breath.
Mykull asks, "if all the empaths are here..... who is healing?"
Iflaer peers about.
Iflaer says, "Part of my plot to gain you better recognition."
Iflaer nods.
Iflaer says, "I think we've got enough folks to begin."

Iflaer calls the assembly to order. After a moment the crowd quiets down.

Iflaer grins.
Iflaer says, "First a remark. Thank you all for coming and as you can see, I am not dead."
Iflaer says, "My main resaon for this first forum as your guru is to garner ideas from you and leet us get to know each other a bit better. I am not going to be windy, but let you get questions inn and we'll go from there. There will be only a few questions at a time but I will try and address them. Off topic questions may be ignored. The topic is Empaths and Empath concerns."
Iflaer takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.
Iflaer says, "Let's get the first batch of questions."
Iflaer whistles tunelessly to himself.
Iflaer says, "Nice questions you ARE being nice."
Iflaer closes the question box.

Iflaer says, "Ravenstorm says, 'What do you envision our list to eventually look like?'"
Iflaer says, "Short answer is complete."
Iflaer smiles at Ravenstorm.
Iflaer says, "I am making final choices unless I see another great idea. I need to digress just a moment though."
Iflaer says, "One of the problems you've brought to my attention is the crowding issue. I've checked there are at LEAST 2 characters of EACH profession per empath at any given time."
Iflaer says, "I suspect part of the reason you don't see them is you are stuck in town."
Iflaer nods.
Iflaer says, "I envision the spells as revamped to let you get out into hunting areas and do field healing."
Iflaer says, "I'll come back to that after we have some more questions. I will tell you what the planned make up or break-down of the list may be pending approval."
Iflaer nods.

Iflaer says, "Caitra says, 'can we get an empath guild'"
Iflaer says, "Again, the short answer. Yes, but I don't have a definite timeline for you yet."
Iflaer says, "I am compiling all the guild ideas and passsing them on to the guild follks;)"

Iflaer says, "Sabitor says, 'Will there be any additions to our spell circle?'"
Iflaer says, "Additions? If you mean fully implemented, yes."
Iflaer smiles.

Iflaer says, "Lauraellen says, 'what are your thoughts for the empath profession as a whole?'"
Iflaer asks, "That's a tough one, could you expand that question to something more specific?"
Iflaer nods to Lauraellen, who stands up to address the assembly.
Iflaer says, "Lauraellen? You have the floor."
Lauraellen says, "well... I was wondering..."
Lauraellen says, "Since you are in charge of the profession, you must have ideas about how you view the empath profession."
Lauraellen says, "and you must have an idea where you would like to see the profession go"
Iflaer chuckles.
Lauraellen asks, "do you see us as mainly healers, or do you see us as a viable member of hunting parties? Or do you see us a combination of the two?"
Iflaer says, "I see Empaths as vital to the worrld and NOT just npc allthough some of those within the profession seem to act like it."
Iflaer says, "You are mainly healers, but I have long thought an empath could and should contribute more to hunting parties, especially with all the speeling up everyone does nowadays."
Having finished addressing the assembly Lauraellen sits back down.
Iflaer says, "Thank you."

Iflaer says, "Merry says, 'what suggestions do you like and are doable?'"
Iflaer says, "I like most of the suggestions. One problem with some of them is you all seem to want the gods to step in and progrram bette behavior. I think that would be a mistake."
Iflaer nods to Merry, who stands up to address the assembly.
Merry says, "oh, I agree on that."
Merry says, "I meant like the training hospital and all of Raven's ideas"
Merry says, "NPC healing has to be an individual choice"
Iflaer nods.
Merry says, "and Trans any should be linked to something else"
Merry says, "that's it"
Having finished addressing the assembly Merry sits back down.
Iflaer says, "Thanks."
Iflaer says, "The hospitaal idea has a few merits, but would require some heavy programming and area design to implement and I don't think it is something I can get as a high priority."
Iflaer says, "Linking TRANS ANY to something would be a mistake if you mean giving you a flag or something along those lines."

Iflaer says, "Dabu says, 'since I've been around,there's been talk of our spell list being revised...will that ever happen in my lifetime?'"
Iflaer says, "I suppose so."
Iflaer says, "When I was a player, I ws asked and sent in a LOT of ideas for the list and never heard anything back. I found that frustrating."
Iflaer says, "Several things need to happen for it to occur."
Iflaer says, "We need to make room for new spells."
Iflaer says, "I need to reduce my possibles from the 34 I have narrowed it down to now."
Iflaer says, "I need to look at implementation."
Iflaer says, "I need to make the proposal"
Iflaer says, "We need approval to make it so."

Iflaer says, "Chabat says, 'Is there any way to get rid of the any verb?'"
Iflaer says, "Of course there is some way to do so, but I don't think we will. I know a lot of you aren't enamored of that particular tool."
Iflaer says, "There are some good arguments for and against it. My thoughts on it at this time is to leave it in, but change it along with fixing the trans verb. Maybe after that happens, it will be less of a problem"

Iflaer says, "Cullien says, 'there is a lot of concern about the Transfer ANY command. You have any plans to address those concerns?'"
Iflaer says, "Same as the above."
Iflaer says, "How I am planning on addressing the dreaded ANY is in two ways."
Iflaer says, "I want to give you targetted transfers so you can trans <patient> nerves for instance, reduce experience when ANY is used since it doesn't require any real effort, and finally pending approval, I would love to make targetted transfers worrk 'better'."
Iflaer says, "Because it is a social issue I hope the players can solve by themselves rather than being programmed in."
Iflaer says, "The concept of owning a patient is the samee as owning a hunting room to my mind. You can't and don't."

Iflaer says, "Nialas says, 'What is the priority of the Empath guild in relation to other guilds?'"
Iflaer says, "I can't answer that. I do not know what piorities are relating to the guilds."
Iflaer says, "Let's open the floor for a few minutes and ty to keep it to a dull roar. Then we'll go back to questions."

Iflaer opens the floor back up for general discussion.

Sespyria asks, "So, my question is that if I fog in someone that is severely injured to the gate... and someone heals them out from under me, I'm not supposed to get upset?"
Iflaer nods to Sespyria.
Siwas asks, "..and if someone taps me, and asks me to heal them..I have no more right to heal them than any other empath does?"
Siwas peers quizzically at Iflaer.
Iflaer says, "Ah, then the patient has asked for you specifically and others should respect the patients request, but you don't own them."
Lavinnia asks, "But what about when they whisper the request, Iflaer?"
Iflaer says, "Then you''ll need to move off if possible and that isn't easy these days."
Iflaer says, "The goup flag fo healing requires that extra step that would only annoy the other professions"
Wyanthia says, "But I do not like to hear that the spell circle will not be changed for a long time..as it sounds like Iflaer."
Wyanthia says, "We have been waiting"
Iflaer smiles at Wyanthia.
Wyanthia says, "That makes me upset"
Iflaer says, "You're hearing things that aren't said."
Alahara asks, "Iflaer, you speak of 34 ideas you have for spells. Can we get specifics on those spells?"
Iflaer says, "Specifics, no a general break down, I think so."
Iflaer smiles.
Daelynn asks, "Ack it's over?"
Daelynn wails!
Iflaer exclaims, "It's not over!"
Iflaer flails his arms about.
Iflaer says, "Just letting you blow a bit of steam off;)"
Eradica asks, "This is what I've always wondered....we get a Calm spell that requires a warding and rangers get a Mass Calm that is much easier to attain. What's up with that?"
Lauralanthalass asks, "how come elemental circles can add more stackable td then the "masters" of spiritual magics?"
Iflaer says, "Different people did the spells and did them differently. I would think it was BUGgable myself."

Iflaer says, "Pretend I am not here for a moment. It' a scorcher here and I need to get more tea."
Iflaer smiles.
Iflaer says, "And fix that danged 'r' key"
Iflaer winks.
Iflaer suddenly fades out of sight.

Iflaer suddenly fades into sight beside you.
Iflaer asks, "Lissa? Did you bring chocolate for everyone?"
Lissa blinks at Iflaer.
Lissa says, "Surely ye jest m'lord Iflaer"
Lissa just tickled Iflaer.
Iflaer nods to Lissa.
Iflaer says, "Surely I do."
Lissa winks at Iflaer.
Lissa giggles.

Iflaer says, "Okay, hush"
Iflaer calls the assembly to order. After a moment the crowd quiets down.

Iflaer says, "Let me get back to spells for a moment."
Iflaer says, "First off, I do think part of the problem with empaths is this world is weighted towaards hunting and empaths have long been hindered in that regard. It IS possible for the 'warpaths' but on average, the profession as a while isn't."
Iflaer says, "I don't need to be told that empaths are the only prrofession without DS spells in their base list."
Iflaer nods.
Iflaer says, "I would like to make hunting a more palatable option for the majority. With that in mind, even if you do not wish to hunt, you COULD possibly survive hunting and possibly help the group in some manner. I'd like the option of leaving town to be available thus reducing congestion in them."
Iflaer says, "I have grouped spells as 'utility', AS, DS, hunting.."
Iflaer coughs.
Iflaer says, "Utility spells would be something that aids the RP atmosphere and possibly contributes to a group, like the interferrence spell or binding. It would be CS based at a minimum."
Iflaer says, "I also plan at least 1 each AS DS spell with an additional twist if i can make it fly."
Iflaer says, "The twist is related to how does an empath do what he orr she may do."
Iflaer says, "I am tying to get a spell that would work a bit like dfredux doess forr warriorrs. Even if you were to get hit, you'd suffer less damage and effects based on the long years of suffering wounds."
Iflaer says, "And one real hunting spell directly allowing hunting experience."
Iflaer says, "The world here demands it to my mind."
Iflaer shrugs.
Iflaer takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.
Iflaer closes the question box.

Iflaer says, "Nialas says, 'Are you considering a group based DS/elemental/Warding spell that expires when ungrouped?'"
Iflaer says, "Not at this time. I see group spells as one of the most unbalancing things within the world. I plan NO group defense or offense speells."
Iflaer says, "I should make another comment here to clarify something."
Iflaer says, "I thought the game balanced out nicely once upon a time when somee spirit spells were released."
Iflaer says, "Heroism and Bravery by name. Empaths and Clerics single train weapons and emapths spend half their time trying to gain CM at the expense of other skills."
Iflaer says, "With that in mind. I plan the new empaths spells to be self-cast only and also empath only."
Iflaer says, "Anyone with a toy that isn't an empath would be disappointed. I don't know if that will be approved o not."

Iflaer says, "Dabu says, 'I want to know what is going to be done about the "vulture empaths" that have invaded our profession? That behavior has turned me off from healing all together. Empaths as a whole are getting a bad name because of that and we are also losing respect in the lands.'"
Iflaer nods.
Iflaer says, "It has hasn't it. Every profession has there vultures whether it be healing, rrezzing, or claiming hunting areas."
Iflaer says, "The only plans I have right now is to reduce the benefits of using ANY and hope that they'll start interacting and stop being greedy npcs."
Iflaer says, "Everything we've talked about so far."
Iflaer says, "I don't plan to make spells just to make spells. I have been getting your ideas and researching how we could implement them as the various systems stand, or what systems would need wok to make them work."
Iflaer says, "Surtey, when he heals you demands a payment as his right. Thing is, some of you demand a tip as your right as well. That makes you seem as npcs to others."
Iflaer says, "I walk into a room, get healed and have to pay..."
Iflaer coughs.
Iflaer says, "Tips are for extra, better, or extraordinary service. If I get bad serrvice, be assured I would not tip you."
Iflaer nods to Merry.
Iflaer says, "The link would have to be in look, appraise, and diagnose to make that work, but I am hoping it won't be needed."
Iflaer says, "ANY was made because the elder empaths were jumping on wounds and not letting the younger ones have a chance."
Iflaer says, "Instead of fixing the problem, it just made it clearer to a larger population."
Iflaer says, "If the changes I mentioned don't work, wee may need to look at it again and appraise a new or better solution."
Iflaer says, "Including thee possible link o force one to look at a patient before it would work."
Iflaer smiles.

Iflaer says, "Lauralanthalass says, 'do you have any comments on the rumored roll failures for spells, as in which spells, and if there is why are our pathetic circles bein even more shreaded ::mutters call lightning::'"
Iflaer says, "First comment is to remember a rumor is just that."
Iflaer chuckles.
Iflaer says, "I did go asking around and as far as I know right now, there aren't any spells scheduled for such a change within the spirit circle."
Iflaer says, "There was a mention of failures forr 'traveling' spells. Namely because 'all the other guys' have it."
Iflaer says, "I've heard no plans to implement such a change."
Iflaer nods.
Iflaer says, "And todate, I have not been able to get a WoR change to help cut down through traffic as you all asked for."

Iflaer says, "Ravenstorm says, 'Have you actually gotten approval to condense and change our spell lists? As opposed to submitting ideas on how to do it then having it decided that it doesn't need to be done in the first place. Also, is there anything you're working on that has gotten authorized already?'"
Iflaer says, "When I started as guru, I sent a proposal in to condense and revamp the spell list."
Iflaer says, "In the proposal, I had a three part plan which wasn't denied."
Iflaer says, "I had the CURE verrb, the trans changes and spell work all in the proposal and believe management does see the need and will only need the particulars."
Iflaer says, "One idea I read I specially liked and will forward it with anything else that comes form tonight. A change to prep for healing spells so an empath LOOKS like an empath when theey heal."

Iflaer says, "Daelynn says, 'Iflaer, I think some of the biggest problems we face is that 1) our entire empath list is available for sale in each town for relatively cheap, and 2) after we hit level 10, we get no better or no worse at healing. What do you suggest may be changed to help those problems?'"
Iflaer mutters under his breath.
Iflaer asks, "Didn't you have a wedding to go to?"
Iflaer grins.
Iflaer exclaims, "Item 1. Not when we're through!"
Iflaer says, "I don't entirely agree with item 2. You do get a reduced RT."
Iflaer says, "I could see that changing baased on spells known and your firstaid perhaps."
Iflaer asks, "One problem is if you get better at healing(trans) wouldn't that mean you learn less since it's not new experriences to reflect on?"
Iflaer says, "A possibility and only that ight now is to make you better by letting you transfer scars."
Iflaer says, "You'd garner less experience from the everydaay wound to some minimum but gain scar ability."
Iflaer says, "How that would wok isn't certain. I'd hate to add scars and mess something else up."
Iflaer grins.
Iflaer chuckles.

Iflaer says, "Sylanae says, 'I have heard rumors that there's much opposition to "improving" empaths from the higher ups, in light of this is it realistic to believe that we'll ever get the approval needed to change the spell lists?'"
Iflaer says, "There's those rumors again."
Iflaer says, "It is true there are differing opinions on empaths."
Iflaer says, "To read the boards, you'd think we haate ALL classes and don''t want to improve any of them."
Iflaer says, "I don't think getting a spell list change will be hard."
Iflaer nods.
Iflaer says, "There will prrobably be resistance to some of those spells, but that's normal."
Iflaer says, "One of my roles as guru is to take your ideas to the higherups and argue them for you."
Iflaer says, "Since I mentioned condensing the spells list, you've all seemed to like the idea so I passed it on without being told No."
Iflaer says, "Hope that answers the question."

Iflaer says, "Eradica says, 'That 'one real hunting spell,' would that be a low mana cost spell much like manadisruption or would it be an AS aim bolt attack?'"
Iflaer says, "No"
Iflaer reads the next question.
Iflaer says, "Actually, if I was to make it an aimed spell, it wouldn't help you at all. It's the same problem with weapons. You can only single train and would bee behind the eight-ball all over again."
Nastir just left.
Iflaer says, "It also wouldn't be a low mana cost per se. I am still working on placement."
Iflaer says, "If I tried to tun you into great hunters, I would be shot. I would like to see you be fair hunters though. Reasonable mana cost? I hope so."

Iflaer says, "Chabat says, 'I would like to address your remark: "Because it is a social issue I hope the players can solve by themselves rather than being programmed in."?'"
Iflaer says, "Some players just don't wanna play nice."
Iflaer shrugs.
Iflaer says, "I think trying to program a solution for a problem that is with the player themselve leads to problems like ANY. It just doesn't work."

Iflaer opens the floor back up for general discussion.

Iflaer just left.
Iflaer just went out.

Iflaer says, "My isp has died."
Alahara asks, "Iflaer, was there any pericular reason that you didn't address my question I submitted?"
Iflaer asks, "You asked the item 1 and item 2 question I answered didn't you?"
Iflaer smiles at Alahara.
Alahara shakes her head.
Alahara says, "I asked..."
Alahara asks, "From the looks of it, mechanicly, empaths are getting no changes. No spells, nothing to help remove us from the roll of 'second rate citizen who are walking herb collections'. What is in store for us in the future to correct this problem?"
Iflaer says, "Ah I answered with the spell schanges, thee CURE verb"
Iflaer says, "which WAS implemented and the changes to TRANS."
Iflaer says, "Check your buffer"
Sabitor asks, "Iflaer... You get me idea on that scar removal thing?"
Iflaer says, "You email it to me? I just changed ISPs and haven't checked the old"

Iflaer says, "I am afraid we'll have to reschedule to contiue"

Iflaer says, "I'll try to get that one as an all empaaths if I can"
Empromancer says, "I think we oughta beable to meditate or something"
Iflaer nods to Empromancer.
Iflaer says, "I tried to get meditation for empaaths in as a player as well."
Iflaer says, "[email protected]"
Alahara says, "Ugh..no medidataion....we learn quick enough as it is."
Iflaer nods to Alahara.
Iflaer says, "Thaat's what they told me;)"
Iernae says, "Iflaer thank ye fer doing this, I recently found out ye donnae even get paid ta be a guru and it has ta be a tough job."
Iflaer says, "When you all cooperate aand help, it is very rewarding."
Iflaer says, "I tried to get sanctuary noded when it went in. A spell might fly though"
Alahara says, "I've got some spell ideas for you take a look at. If the the higherups want a reason for why we get these abilities that's in there for you too."
Iflaer grins.
Iflaer smiles at Alahara.
Iflaer says, "Never hurrts to have more ammunition."
Snowie asks, "Someone gonna post all of the formal meeting somewhere?"
Iflaer says, "Mail me a copy too, tthat's part of my ttech difficulties."
Dantrot says, "snowie I am serious. If we don't heal for a week not only would it send a huge message to the populs but to the GM's that we mean biz."
Dantrot says, "er populous"
Dantrot says, "er whaeva"
Iflaer pokes Dantrot in the ribs.
Dantrot says, "I am seriousIflaer."
Iflaer says, "Refusing to heal isn't against the rules"
Iflaer says, "Emapths do NOT have to heal."
Sespyria says, "but we should be able to at least impart damage on a creature of our level and be able to survive"
Iflaer nods.
Iflaer says, "Hard to learn unless you RP well. But the game isn't ALL about learning"
Iflaer says, "Those sending me comments or posting...."
Iflaer says, "Let me know if you would prefer I only answer questions"
Iflaer says, "Or, if you like a chance to vent in between."
Dantrot says, "an empath guild is alot more important than a rogue guild"
Dantrot peers quizzically at Iflaer.
Iflaer nods to Dantrot.
Iflaer says, "I agree, but I am not in charge."
Dantrot asks, "Iflaer would you have the authority, or the knowledge to start making an empath guild?"
Iflaer says, "Not really, guilds are complicated and I want to get spells out"
Iflaer says, "Couldn't do both and read boards, eat and sleep."
Iflaer says, "If you have a coherent comment instead of jusst venting..."
Iflaer says, "I know you'll be heard 'better'"
Sabitor says, "Iflaer, perhaps the empath spells can be combined! All tha' healin' spells can be combined into 5. Just whatever you healin' takes different types of mana dependin' on the severness."
Iflaer smiles at Sabitor.
Iflaer says, "combined into 10"
Iflaer says, "Or 15"
Iflaer says, "I need to clean up, staay as long as you'd like."
Iflaer says, "IF my ISP will behave I'll be back in a little bit."
Iflaer suddenly fades out of sight.




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